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Scenic Route
Life's one helluva ride — why not enjoy the view?
The Scenic Route Podcast is your audio chill pill, serving up mindset shifts, laughs, and 'aha!' moments that fuel your soul and your wallet.
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Healing Through Shadows: Build Resilience and Embrace True Self-Acceptance with Shadi Sadeghi
What if the key to living an authentic, soul-led life lies in the shadows of our psyche?
On this episode of the Scenic Route Podcast, we're joined by Shadi Sadeghi, a certified life coach and Jungian psychology expert, who demystifies the profound journey of shadow work.
Ever wondered what it means if the same things keep on happening to you?
We peel back the layers of our unconscious mind using the metaphor of an iceberg to uncover how personal traits and internal conflicts shape our everyday experiences.
Shadi walks us through practical methods for integrating these hidden aspects into our conscious selves, ultimately guiding us toward self-awareness and wholeness.
Episode Highlights:
- Shadow Work Explained: Understand the concept of shadow work and its significance in achieving self-awareness and self-acceptance.
- Jungian Self: Explore the principles of Jungian psychology and how they relate to shadow work.
- Resilience Building: Learn how embracing your shadow self can build resilience and lead to a more authentic life.
- Relationship to the Self: Discover how early life experiences and parental relationships shape our self-perceptions and spirituality.
- Practical Techniques: Gain practical advice on integrating shadow aspects, writing down dreams, and enhancing personal growth.
"Shadow work is about taking accountability for our experiences and recognizing our power to change patterns." Shadi Sadeghi
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Raise your hand. If you ever had one of those crystal clear blink of an eye moments where you see the pattern, that there is a pattern You're like fudge. Why does this keep on happening to me? Today, in this episode Scenic Route Podcast, the Podcast, shadi and I, we're going to unravel all of the mysteries why certain things keep on happening and how those are projections of our shadows and how we can do shadow work become whole again. How we can do shadow work become whole again. When we talk about the concept of the self in terms of Jungian psychology, we're also going to look at how we can transform that and how we can be more spiritual. We're going to look at how our parents shape our perception of the physical world and our spirituality.
Jennifer Walter:And it's going to be so interesting and I can't wait for you to join us. So grab your favorite beverage and let's go. Can't wait for you to join us, so grab your favorite beverage and let's go. Hi and welcome to the Scenic Route Podcast, where we believe in embracing life's journey with purpose, curiosity and a bit of potty I'm someones uncool Mom and I'm always looking out for that perfect slice of gluten-free rhubarb pie. Every week, I get the joy of sitting down with dreamers and doers who dare to take the road less traveled in pursuit of their own magic. Together, we dive into the inspiring stories of soulful entrepreneurs and visionary leaders who boldly share their beliefs, lessons and fuck-ups. Excited so am I. You're exactly where you're meant to be, and now let's take this conversation off the beaten track. Take this conversation off the beaten track.
Jennifer Walter:Shadi Sadeghi is a certified life coach in Jungian psychology and emotion code practitioner with over 15 years of personal development experience. Shadi's method combines depth psychology, eastern philosophy, social neuroscience and emotional energy work to take her clients through the beautiful process of awakening to their true selves. Through this mind-body-soul journey of powerful conscious action, coupled with the infinite intelligence of the unconscious mind, she guides men and women all over the world to overcome obstacles with more ease and consciously create more authentic, soul-led relationships and careers. Shadi is a global traveler and recovering corporate professional based in Southern California. Shadi, welcome to the Cineground podcast. How are you?
Shadi Sadeghi:I'm great. How are you doing?
Jennifer Walter:I'm really excited for today's episode and maybe, if you're going to ask me again how I am in like 45 minutes, that might look different. No, never, never, no, no, it's all good. Oh, you know what kind of image just comes to mind? Um, you listening, tuning in now. You don't know this, but today we're gonna talk about our relationship to the self, to ourself and especially also to our shadow self. So it's gonna get deep fast. I suppose you know what, just what image I just had. I had like a very greek, uh methodology kind of mental image of like um har on the ferryman who brings the souls over the river styx to the underworld, and it feels like we're so you?
Shadi Sadeghi:so you saw. So he's male, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, no, it's not a god, it's.
Jennifer Walter:It's a fairy man, actually, who brings uh the. Oh god my greek methodology is rusty, but he. There are two rivers, um, that souls need to cross into in order to go to the underworld um and uh, to like, to the hottest. Uh, the greek god of the underworld, and um, so they're crossing the. The most famous river is the river called sticks, and the ferryman who brings the souls across in the boat is called haron. And that was just that just came to mind, wow that's very powerful.
Shadi Sadeghi:Very powerful, jennifer, because I mean you know what the underworld represents. That represents our, the underworld of our psyche, right, our shadow, and so that is some sort of guide for you. He is some sort of guide to take you there.
Jennifer Walter:Oh, okay, and there is also a very, I don't know him yeah, I mean I. I just there's one really famous black and white picture and, like the arts, I don't even know who, who painted it, anyway, but it's like that came to mind, like okay, we're, we're gonna go, we're gonna cross the river steaks now, so before.
Shadi Sadeghi:I feel we kind of need to sorry, I'm still stuck on what's his name again haron c-h-a-r-o-N.
Jennifer Walter:Okay, cool. So I feel okay, that's kind of like we're closing the mental bracket of Greek methodology. Now it's all symbolic, everything's symbolic.
Shadi Sadeghi:That's true. That's true, yes, and I incorporate there's a lot of deciphering of symbolism in the kind of coaching that I do and with shadow work in general, with this process of becoming your whole true self. So with your dreams, with the vision you just had, that's very powerful. With what we see, you know I've been seeing the monarch butterfly a lot.
Jennifer Walter:That's very symbolic Is it kind of like your spiritual animal, or is it no?
Shadi Sadeghi:I see it as a symbol from my higher self, because, if my mind, because we might, we there might be butterflies around us all the time, but if our mind is picking it up and seeing it, then it's my soul saying there's a, there's a symbol here for you. There's like, it's like a message, it's message. So I see it as a message from, yes, my higher, my higher self, my soul. Oh, that's very interesting, I believe, and we're going to get into this.
Shadi Sadeghi:But I mean, depending on what stage you are at in the level of, of, of individuation, of, of the wholeness of the psyche, then you're either experiencing things or the dreams that are showing up for you, and the symbolism that's coming up for you is correlated to just yourself, your individual. It's like the first layer. But the deeper you go, then the more you tap into the collective, unconscious, and so I've been doing this for years. So, typically, when I see these kinds of symbols, yes, it pertains to my life, but it also pertains to the collective. So I see this wow, I'm like humanity's going through major transformation right now with the monarch butterfly.
Jennifer Walter:That's how I see it oh, I mean, yeah, we sure are on all levels. I feel like we have to circle back for a wee bit. If anyone tuning in and is like wait, what Shadow self? So maybe Shadi, before we go in, and I tell you about the weird dream I had just the other night that I still remember, because sometimes I don't really remember them. But anyway, before we get back off track, how do you?
Jennifer Walter:how do you define the shadow self and how do you differentiate between, uh, the conscious self or the shadow self, or what's the counterpart from the shadow self? How, how do you like organize um all of that?
Shadi Sadeghi:So, if so the way, so okay. So my training is based on Jungian psychology, deaf psychology and um, which is the life's work of Carl Jung, who was Swiss, and um as well as, uh, some a little. I like to say a little sprinkle of eastern philosophy, as well as a little, I like to say a little sprinkle of Eastern philosophy, as well as a little dash of neuroscience, social neuroscience, to help people understand their minds, to help navigate through the depths. Essentially, who you know yourself to be I am, my name is Shadi, I am a life coach, I'm an energy practitioner. That's things we are aware of. You're conscious of it.
Shadi Sadeghi:Oh, I'm an introvert, or I am you know this human design, or I am you know? Fill in the blank, right? Those are things we are conscious of. We are only conscious of about five to 10% of the totality of who we are, and so a lot of people kind of like you know you were saying you know with Hades, underworld, it's like there's these dark associations with the shadow self, which is the part of us that is unconscious. But it's not all dark. That is where our gold lies, that is where excuse me, that is where our infinite potential is, that is where our infinite power is, that is where our freedom lies and it's and if you've studied the hero's journey by Joseph Campbell, for example, it's like this is the path of life where we kind of we get the call to go to the underworld, like you just said saying underworld.
Shadi Sadeghi:It's very relevant. So which is your unconscious mind? So it's essentially going below the surface. It's going, it's very relevant, so which is your unconscious mind. So it's essentially going below the surface. It's going, it's looking under the hood of the car, as I like to say it. But I can't put on my own, you can't do it on your own. Why? Because who's at the door, for who's standing at the, you know, ocean side, does not want you to go under. It's our ego.
Jennifer Walter:So our ego, our conscious mind.
Shadi Sadeghi:Right, so it is an aspect of our conscious mind. So it is the gatekeeper that says under no circumstances are you to change or grow.
Jennifer Walter:He's the meanest bouncer in all the world. He's not.
Shadi Sadeghi:Yes, I call him a bouncer too. It's funny you say that that part of ourselves only knows survival and staying in your comfort zone. That's all it knows.
Shadi Sadeghi:And so that's familiar, that's safety outside of that threat to your existence and you're going to die. And so, like that's why it's just protecting you, and I mean like that's what they mean by the ego death. Our ego never dies. You just it's step. It's a step-by-step process. I mean there's so many people that go, you know, to like towards plant medicine, or they do these extreme ayahuasca retreats where it's like really diving in deep, really quickly. They're like, oh, I went through an ego death.
Shadi Sadeghi:No, like you need to go through a step-by-step process of learning who you are, with curiosity, with non-judgment, of looking under the hood, going under the surface and accepting and being okay with those parts of yourself. And the ego is by your side. That's what I do. So like with the coaching, having a guide, a mentor, a coach, a shaman, whatever is really important, because they're holding your hand and your ego is going to be your ally. Your ego going to be the one, the part of you that is going to drive you in this planet, on this, you know, on earth. But in the beginning it has resistance, and that's normal so we, yeah.
Jennifer Walter:so whenever you start that kind of work and I mean I also started to work years ago, so I know the resistance was going strong- yes, I get it.
Shadi Sadeghi:I still have resistance and it takes many shapes. The resistance, the resistance, oh, that's interesting. It's not just interesting, it takes it sometimes, it has, it's physical For me. It's physical sometimes meaning like I'm too tired to do the things that I wanted to do or to show up. You know, in the beginning this is how it was, or I would be. I would have a mysterious illness where I would have a fever of like right around 100 degrees every day, so it's like a low grade fever for like two weeks and it kept me from moving forward and I was like okay, and I remember the very first week I got a life coach for the very first time, I fell downstairs and I twisted my ankle. So it's like resistance can show and it's like we're creating our reality at all times. So it could be that we're just like not paying attention or something. And then you burn your hand and it's like, oh, and it's like it's a form of resistance.
Jennifer Walter:Yeah, I'm just like there were, I. There are certain moments in my life when I look back where I kind of like had freak accidents, yeah, and it was always. It was always very close to moments of big change and uprooting and interestingly also, uh, well, I mean, everyone doing the work is like sure, no surprise. But also when I was like, when something was going really, really good, then something weird would happen to kind of like oh, slow you down. Exactly. Body doesn't feel safe when everything is going too well so we might just just give a bit.
Shadi Sadeghi:Look, I don't know, burn your head just to kind of like feel safe again totally yeah, and that's normal and it's okay and it's like it's not about judging the ego or the resistance, it's not about being divisive, cutting it out, killing the ego.
Shadi Sadeghi:That's such a misconception because your ego it's going to be your best friend and your ally through this process of individuating into your truest, most authentic self. But you don't want it in the driver's seat. You want your tires, your soul, in the driver's seat. Your purpose that your true self in the driver's seat, your ego, is going to be in the passenger side, kind of navigating yes, which makes sense, right?
Jennifer Walter:I? I agree with the with I don't want anyone leaving our conversation with the notion of oh ego bad, gotta go, like I mean it is, it's a part of us, right and we. I feel it's just natural to include it, but like it has to know its place yeah, it's a toddler like if you're an adult.
Shadi Sadeghi:You don't want a toddler behind the wheel. You don't want a toddler deciding what you're having for breakfast, lunch and dinner or how to run your business or how. You know what I mean. Yeah, toddler, it's the toddler in you. It's that inner child that people keep referring to. That's all.
Shadi Sadeghi:Yeah, that makes much sense, and sometimes I do like ice cream for breakfast, but it's like we do not want to have it every day, but it's like we do not want to have it every day all day. Right, and it's your choice. You have the freedom to choose. That that's a beautiful thing. Yeah, a little with a little cereal. I mean, that's kind of, that's right.
Jennifer Walter:Oh yeah, okay yeah yeah, totally okay, ego maybe tomorrow morning come back, go to sleep now yeah, if you're craving. How, when we look at also young's version of shadow and we said, okay, we, we. You said at the beginning okay, when we look at our shadows we can learn so much about ourselves and as it's, it's also like a tool that helps us understand parts of ourselves, hidden fears and desires, like how how can a shadow, or how can understanding our shadow self, help us understand our hidden fears and desires?
Shadi Sadeghi:so they're that. That's where they live.
Jennifer Walter:So imagine it's a pandora's box or closet we're, oh, we're good, we're again with the mythologies.
Shadi Sadeghi:Yes yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what the shadow is, it's, and so, um, if we want to get visual, I'm like I should have had a blackboard. So like, if you start with, uh, let's look at an iceberg, okay, yeah, the tip of an iceberg is above water, and it's just the tip right, and the bulk of the iceberg is underwater and we can't see it. So we look at the surface and we think just the tip, oh, that's just the iceberg, that's all, that's the ice, that's the totality.
Shadi Sadeghi:That's how humans are about the psyche, so we think that you know who I am is all that. I am Right.
Shadi Sadeghi:Yeah, the ego is all that. There is Right and the ego identity Right and there is Right and the ego identity right and that's all there is. But we are actually both. So we are what is under the surface and in this case, you know, the iceberg below the surface represents the shadow, and that leads also to the collective unconscious the collective shadow as well, the collective shadow as well. So the more conscious we become, the more we integrate and bring the iceberg above the surface to our awareness and we become aware of the hidden or repressed or rejected fears or traits about ourselves. You know, if I identify as an introvert, for example, then what's the opposite of that? It's being extroverted. So that's repressed. That goes in Pandora's box. That's below the surface. What happens is my soul will keep putting me in situations to become more extroverted and I'm going to hate it.
Shadi Sadeghi:Because I have this conflict, because I'm like no no, no, I'm an introvert, I'm an introvert, I hate it. I I'm an introvert, I hate it. I can't stand it because that's repressed. So the mind is always wanting to bring what is repressed and rejected or denied within ourselves to us. It's wanting to, it's wanting to show us hey, I want to be healed. Healed means to become whole. By the way, it doesn't mean to become fixed.
Jennifer Walter:So I want to be seen. Yeah, we're not in the business of fixed.
Shadi Sadeghi:So I want yeah, we're not in the business of fixing people yeah, right and so like. So it's like you know these bad situations or the resistance that we were talking about all of these situations are showing us, or if we have conflicts, for example, that's my favorite conflicts are the best opportunity to do shadow work, to see what you are repressing, rejecting or denying about yourself. Why? Because not to become it. It doesn't mean the introvert has to all of a sudden, overnight, become an extrovert. It's just saying look at that part of yourself.
Shadi Sadeghi:What's so scary about being an extrovert? Why is that? Why? Why did you push it away? And then you come to realize, you know through the process, that there was an experience you had during your childhood. Maybe this is a trait you inherited from your parents or your grandparents and it's not yours. You didn't have the free will to decide whether you want to be an introvert or an extrovert the age of one or two or whatever. If you inherited, inherited it. You, your unconscious mind, your ego, really decided it is only safe for me to be an introvert.
Jennifer Walter:That's going to be my identity anything in order to keep me alive, as an infant, as a toddler or socially accepted in good standing in my school and you know which is, which is life or death as well. Right, the mind doesn't differentiate yes, I love that.
Shadi Sadeghi:You know this. Yes, exactly. So the mind sees that as like oh shit, if I'm not part of the tribe I'm gonna die. Sorry, I didn't know if I can curse. I curse sometimes, oh god, yes, please okay, I'm an x-rated podcast.
Shadi Sadeghi:I love it good. So it doesn't mean that by you know, exploring that side of yourself and it's not just up here, by the way, it's not just an intellectual exploration of going underneath the surface or in Pandora's box the way that it expresses itself is to feeling, and it feels really freaking uncomfortable because typically what a coach will do, and you know a coach will ask you to come up with an action to put you in more environments where you're going to be an extrovert. So it feels really uncomfortable to an introvert. Now I'm using this introvert, extrovert, that's a good example.
Shadi Sadeghi:Yes, so so it feels really uncomfortable, like there's a this, introvert, extrovert. That's a good example. Yes, so so it feels really uncomfortable, like there's a lot of fear, like you start sweating, you're, you know, you have a visceral reaction. Right, it's because you are touching the borders of that boundary between the consciousness and the unconscious part of yourself, and the ego is like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Where are we going?
Jennifer Walter:Bouncer mode Nope.
Shadi Sadeghi:Right, I'm at the door. You can't, can't, pass this threshold. We're entering territory where your life is at risk. And so then the stories start. You look like an idiot. What do you do? Who do you think you are? You look at your outfit. You're you know, you don't know, you don't know anyone here.
Shadi Sadeghi:All these stories, that's that's the ego goes into full gear and gets loud and is stopping, it's wanting to stop you. So, most, what do most people do? Most people retract. They stop, they pull back because they think the ego is right. They're like oh my God, I do, I look terrible, I don't, I am not, you know, I don't know what's the topic of discussion, what do I say? What do I do? So they start buying into the stories and they pull back and they retract and then they go through their lives really staying split. That's what Young said. We're split, and so then it's right around midlife for most people, and now that midlife age or whatever, that's how Young saw it Now it's getting younger. So I'm noticing in general and with my clients as well, right around people are waking up earlier, at least, hitting that wall earlier, like right around 30 now. Um, yeah, checks out.
Shadi Sadeghi:I hit the wall hard with 30 and that's a beautiful thing, because it's it's it's your soul saying okay, enough's enough. We don't want to be split anymore, we want to be whole. So time to go inward, time to delve below the surface and to explore that part of yourself that you have been avoiding and have not been looking at. And we are so good as human beings. We have a million coping mechanisms. We have busyness, distraction, food, pornography, shopping, retail therapy all these things that we do as soon as we feel uncomfortable, because it's the transformation is in the emotion. That's what Jung said. As soon as we feel uncomfortable, we're like I hate Jung, no, I don't, but I mean it's so annoying.
Shadi Sadeghi:I know, trust me, it's annoying as soon as we feel an uncomfortable emotion, like you know that introvert example. Coming back to that again, if he's in a if he's in a uncomfortable social situation, what does he do?
Shadi Sadeghi:Tequila, yeah, or better Jerry's, or yeah, no, I mean like well, that pain instead of and as a coach, I teach people how to feel, which is mind-blowing, and in my own life, I didn't really know how to properly feel. Most of us don't really know how to feel without getting sucked into it, because we think like, oh my god, if I feel this way, it's never gonna end. Yeah, I will be sucked into it, but it's not true. And so helping them to work, it lasts around 90 seconds.
Jennifer Walter:That's the scientific duration of emotions.
Shadi Sadeghi:It has been tested actually in psychology.
Jennifer Walter:So it's really 90 seconds. You got to go to 90 seconds of discomfort.
Shadi Sadeghi:The more we resist the feeling, the longer it lasts, because it's still under the surface, it wants to come up, it wants your awareness, yeah. And then from there we can see oh my God, really subscribing to this persona of introvert has been driving my life, and I have the option to choose. And so that's when you start to create yourself, instead of just defaulting to the identity that you know you unconsciously decided when you were one or two, or your you know family, yeah.
Jennifer Walter:Or like affirmative years yeah. And so you start to create yourself from, and that's free will, that's true free will and empowerment yeah, it's the ultimate empowerment, right when you actually strip off all the labels and all the things, all the roles and hats and you're like no this is actually who I am and if I want to be well and think about how it's limiting your life.
Shadi Sadeghi:See, that's what it. That's what it does. Remember the ego does not want you to grow. The ego wants you to stay in your room, stay in this, in these walls that we have created, that have kept you alive, mofo, I have kept you alive for all these years. How dare you want to cross the threshold? That's what the ego thinks, right, but it's just a part of your mind. It's just protecting you, but imagine how limiting it is.
Jennifer Walter:This is why so many people have the same experiences but don't also not like I feel also not many people realize that they have these confined walls to begin, with.
Shadi Sadeghi:That's what it means by unconscious. Yeah, most people are unconscious. More than 90% of the world is unconscious. They're not even aware. They think that, oh, my life is supposed to be this way. Oh, I'm supposed to feel kind of half empty and kind of unfulfilled. You know, and this is what I'm saying. It to feel kind of half empty and kind of unfulfilled. You know, and this is what I'm saying. It's right around midlife for a lot of people. They're like and I have, you know, I had so many clients that achieved everything they set out to do in their lives. They're like got married, had kids, had an amazing job, I have been successful, I've made millions and this, that and the other. Why do I feel? I feel empty. Why do I? Why am I not happy? Why what? Or worse than that?
Jennifer Walter:the internal well is not filled with external water you got it right and so it's.
Shadi Sadeghi:It's because your soul is like we need to break down these walls. There's still so much to feel, experience and and to create. And you are not confined to this identity that has carried you for the first half of life. You are more so. Yang saw this, as we are both the tip of the iceberg and everything underneath the water. We're not just the shadow. It's not like a lot of people like think, oh my god, shadow work. That means, like you know, I'm gonna become a bitch or I'm gonna become all these things, these traits that I have, you know, avoided and that are socially not acceptable.
Shadi Sadeghi:Let's call it what it is right, like I mean you don't want to be a bitch because you feel there are social precautions for being a bitch absolutely, or what, how to find what it means to be a bitch, right, and so so it's. That's not necessarily true. It's just you. You face those parts of yourself and I'm like, oh my gosh, like it's been limiting my life. Like, for example, think of the person who has been afraid of being quote, unquote, what they think is a bitch. They're probably not speaking up, they're probably not asking for a raise. They're probably not speaking up, they're probably not asking for a raise, they're probably not standing up for themselves.
Shadi Sadeghi:And, um, that energy needs to be released, it needs to be freed. And then when and it's there's a, there's physical changes too through this process. Um, people, just we start aging backwards. It's because you are embodying more of your divinity, you're true. Oh, that's beautiful Through shadow work. So your shadow is not just the dark parts. They call it a golden shadow. It's like if someone has identified as being a mathematician their whole life, for example, they say, oh, I've never been creative. Yeah, it's probably in your shadow. And imagine how much more joy you know, or freedom, or creativity you can have, even in your mathematics career, for example, if you incorporated a little bit more of that into you.
Shadi Sadeghi:And it's freeing and that energy that is repressed and that's our conditioning. So for everyone it can be capital T trauma, it can be little t trauma. I don't use that word trauma, it's a therapeutic word. I'm not a therapist, I call it conditioning. But that is in our energetic field, we're carrying it. So we attract certain situations like attracts light, so we attract more of those situations. So the more you release that energy, the more you integrate those repressed part of yourselves, that repressed emotional energy. Then you are lighter, you are freer, you become healthier. All of a sudden, you know, my allergies started to heal certain, certain issues physical issues I had started to to heal on their own.
Jennifer Walter:It's because we are embodying more of our true self, our divinity yes, and I remember one of my moments where I'm like something's gotta change was like the same shit kept happening there. You go right, same, attract same. I'm like why, why, so? No, okay, we're gonna. We're gonna do something different now. Uh, there you go.
Shadi Sadeghi:Is it for me as well? That's how I got into this work. Is that? That? It was a moment where I'm like, wait a minute, the same types of bosses, the same types of careers, the same salary, the same boyfriends or the same dates, yeah, same same relationships, over and over again. I'm like I'm the common denominator. That's a hard realization, that's a tough pill to swallow. Most people don't even reach that first, first level, and that you know, and that's OK, you don't need to in order to transform your life.
Jennifer Walter:But we're not shaming, blaming anything.
Shadi Sadeghi:Anything that's not, it's not our game but this is another thing that comes, another perk that comes with this process of individuation, which is with young's approach to enlightenment. Essentially, um is the perk of autonomy, complete autonomy. But in order to have autonomy, you need to be accountable for your life, for everything in it, everything you're creating. That's how powerful we are, that's how powerful we are. We're creators. You got to own up, yeah, because you can then change it. That's the beauty of it. You can, you have the power to change it and to break the cycle.
Jennifer Walter:Okay. So, if anyone who's still listening to us talking about shadow work probably has the one question now, okay so. Okay, shadi, tell us how we can begin that process of integrating our shadow into our conscious self.
Shadi Sadeghi:So the best way uh, there's there's three ways. Specifically one, uh, is everyone, is your mirror, anyone, who, anyone? Okay, it's two parts of this first part is anyone we judge, anyone we're judging like oh they're so, they're such a bitch. Oh, they're so, they're so selfish. Yeah, or a bitch, whatever. A person is so selfish Like we can't. That judgment is caused by some emotional charge in us. Right, we see something, we see an image online, or we have an encounter with a friend or a boss.
Jennifer Walter:And we have a strong reaction right when we're like Right, a reaction to it.
Shadi Sadeghi:That is a telltale sign. Uh, that's pointing to your shadow. So if you have a judgment about somebody, usually what you're judging about them is something that you. It doesn't mean you are that thing, but it means that you are not free to, you're not letting yourself have permission to be that thing or explore it, or you're assenting it if you, if you see someone else living that.
Shadi Sadeghi:Right Makes sense. You're not allowing, you're conditioning how you were raised, the beliefs you took on. It's self-imposed right. Of course we're children, we don't know, we're just trying to survive. But those walls you're hitting up against that wall, that boundary. And so that's one way. Another way is that, just even in a conflict, a conflict of you know with, usually when we have a conflict and both people are going at it, that is reflecting something that we, we wants to be looked at in our unconscious, our soul, is saying hey, I want, I want to bring this to awareness, I want to heal this, I want to bring it to awareness. And then another way is really what we're attracting, so the results we're attracting.
Jennifer Walter:So, for example, I the same shit happening over and over again.
Shadi Sadeghi:My ex had kept. This is really unusual. This was an extreme case. He had like three accidents in one month, like either a car accident or somebody hit one of his cars in the parking lot or somebody hit one of his corporate like company vehicles and I was like, wait a minute, three times in one month. I'm like there's something going on here and I'm like so with that it's wanting to purge, quote, unquote, an emotion. There's something you are repressing or not in yourself so typically in that situation that would cause anger, right someone, if you keep running into this or it might cause maybe.
Jennifer Walter:I mean I was angry when that happened to me and that's the same thing happened over and over again. I'm like and then resentment, because I'm a resentful bitch. Wait, wait, wait Was it a car accident or what happened? No, no, no, not a car accident. No, no, no, it was not an accident.
Jennifer Walter:A repetitive situation, repetitive situations. Yeah, oh, let's talk about it. You want to go there? Yeah, go there. Uh, yeah, um, hey, it was what kept happening. Uh, that was a yeah, well, one. It was funny. I didn't really connect all the dots at the time, but, um, now I know, like there was, I was in the how to unravel this.
Shadi Sadeghi:This is basically the outcome of like I had a boss.
Jennifer Walter:I don't do well with female bosses.
Jennifer Walter:I always had the kind of thing where they were like, I mean, meryl Streep in the Devil Wears Prada looks like the nice little sister to the female bosses. I've had like keep on happening until I also kind of looked at my relationship with my mother when I was a child, when I had my kid. I was like and then sort of things clicked and made sense. And now I'm like, oh okay, I see some things emerging, but that was, that was really a tough pill also, because I'm like, yes, I'm a feminist.
Shadi Sadeghi:yes, like, go women in power, like leadership positions, woohoo that's your persona, that's the identity you took on for your whole life. Yeah, and then, like you're screwing me over, thanks and then to like, have this resentment towards women at the same time. That's in your shadow, and then they keep showing up in our bosses. We project it, so that's how it shows up. That's what I mean by whatever we repress. I forgot the very important part. That's one way that the shadow hides itself.
Jennifer Walter:It does not.
Shadi Sadeghi:The ego does not want us to discover our shadow. So the way it discovers it that's why I said everyone is our mirror it projects. So it's projecting what we have repressed, rejected or denied in ourselves. Uh, or, in your case, the intern, the. You know, our, our caregivers are the first line of experience that we have with the world. Right, yes, so the female represents um, it's an, it becomes an internalized. The mother becomes our internalized mother, the internalized voice that we have towards ourselves.
Shadi Sadeghi:So whatever relationship with our mother becomes, a parent, our inner toddler right, and it reflects our relationship with the world. So with um, with other women, with um colleagues, with projects, um just how we interact with the physical collaboration and community.
Shadi Sadeghi:Physical world physical world, everything, physical money people think that money is money, material things. The physical world is is our perception of the physical world and how we show up with it and how we engage with it is until we do shadow work is dictated by our relationship with our mother and how we perceived it and how we internalized it. Remember, it's just the perception, because at like, you know, at like a toddler ages, we're just seeing the world and we're going based on what feels good, what doesn't feel good, what feels safe feels unsafe. So we observe, if we observe, you know, as a toddler, your mother, the phone rings, she leaves the room to to get the phone. We think, oh my God, my mother is leaving me forever. You know what I mean.
Jennifer Walter:Yeah, everything that happens when your child's like.
Shadi Sadeghi:I can't trust, you know, I can't trust my mother. She's gonna leave me. And so there begins our conditioning process, right? And so we grow up unconscious to that dynamic that exists in us and we project it out into the world. But it's beautiful because we are meant to. We are meant to forget who we are. We are meant to have these experiences and to go through this process of becoming split and then whole again. That's the grand human experiment. So it's why we're here, it's to to learn nothing wrong.
Jennifer Walter:You're right on track. All is good, right it's all, it's all perfect.
Shadi Sadeghi:Yeah, it's all it's unfolding exactly as it should. So, like even the person who keeps having the same experiences with bosses like yourself, you know, like you said, that's. Those experiences are just showing you where you want to be healed, and so to change that dynamic, internally first and then typically. Another thing is people's relationships with their parents heal through this process, usually because they're healing it internally and we project it into. So, when it heals, and then we project a healthier model and dynamic and more autonomy. We own our shit, because once you start owning your shit, boundaries become uh natural, organic just they, yeah, they're non-negotiable.
Shadi Sadeghi:There's something you don't even talk about because they're just there, like when you start owning your side of the street, no longer blaming other people or saying, no, it's that person, then other people can only respond in the same way or they fall away. And so our, then our, relationship with our father, um, our dynamic with our father, you, you know, during childhood, up until age seven or eight, that's when the unconscious mind, the shadow side, the self, is formed. That represents our relationship to our spirituality and to God or source, whatever you want to call it, or religion.
Shadi Sadeghi:So yeah, oh, it's deep stuff.
Jennifer Walter:It deep stuff, it's fun yeah, I mean, you blew my mind before when you said the perception of the physical world is dictated by our relationship with our mother and I'm like that checks out okay, so and uh. So our relationship with our father is, the relation is kind of like how we see, how we perceive spirituality, god and non-physical yeah, think of, like of.
Shadi Sadeghi:Yeah, think of like the most loving father. Right, if you grew up with the most loving father, then you feel rooted, you feel safe, you feel secure, you feel provided for um, emotionally, uh, spiritually and I don't think that's that rings true for anyone who has boomer parents, though I know well, again, like I said, we were meant to be conditioned. Trust me, I know that generation, yeah, and they, because they went through their shit too.
Jennifer Walter:Remember I'm not, yep, like they went through their shit too Remember I'm not Yep Like they went through their shit. They went absolutely 100% through their shit.
Shadi Sadeghi:And their identities and they were. Like you know, we're not going to do the work and that's for for Sissy, just gotta chill.
Shadi Sadeghi:Yeah, and so, uh, no, what I'm describing is the ideal. Ideal. And so I take, I take my clients through a visualization process when they are doing this healing work with the father or with the masculine, so that becomes as women, that becomes our internalized masculine, and there is a shadow side to the masculine. So what do we do? We project that. So then that shows our dynamic with men in our lives, the relationship that we perceive to have with the first man, our father, if any relationship many people didn't even have a relationship right that becomes internalized and we carry that and we think we assume it to be true of all men. And then we project that experience over and over and over again until we do the work and we start to realize that we can take back that projection, we can take our power back and we can evolve the inner man and make him divine or make him ideal. And it's deep. I mean it's deep. It's not just about the external man, it's about healing the internal father that lives in you.
Jennifer Walter:So I suppose for you or I mean for anyone going through the work, but also for you your relationship with spirituality basically changed massively, I suppose.
Shadi Sadeghi:Massively. Yeah, and it's funny because and I had resistance, we were talking about resistance, I had resistance as a coach incorporating, so and that was shaped by my conditioning. So it all comes back to our conditioning. What is our perception of spirituality, religion, you know? Odd, whatever, it is my as an Iranian American. My family fled what became the Islamic regime, right, they fled this, this idea of Islam to, for a better life, right? So I grew up in a very secular household. Most Iranians that you meet in you know, who have, uh, the diaspora, who have left, um, they are pretty secular for that reason, because they knew they were like. This is not compatible with our value?
Jennifer Walter:we're not. We're see the signs.
Shadi Sadeghi:We're reading the signs no right, so I. So I grew up uh no, I don't want to say with a negative view, but that was my takeaway.
Jennifer Walter:It's like overly critical view of Islam, probably yeah.
Shadi Sadeghi:And just cannot trust it. And anyone who is religious has an agenda. It's funny because now on the other side I can say well, I probably knew, I knew, I knew, my gut knew, because religion has been exploited. But this is not about religion, but that colored my, my religion, spirituality, doesn't have an agenda.
Shadi Sadeghi:It's people who bring it into and then misuse it misguided right, and so that colored my connection with god, or a connection with the creator, or source, or this unseen energy. It doesn't have to be, uh, you don't have to. It's not the bearded man in the sky, it's just, it's the unseen, it's the unseen force that lives within us, and so, um, that is the resistance that I had was I did not want to incorporate spirituality into my work. I didn't want to be public about it. I want to talk about it, my own, um, perceptions of, uh, you know, coach, I didn't want to be like woo, woo and spiritual and like not be taken seriously about this. You know, energetic force that lives in all of us. It was only when I healed, you know that, my inner, inner masculine, that things also started to change externally as well as, and I started to own my own spirituality and own it and figure out how I wanted to show it and how I wanted to express it.
Jennifer Walter:And pass it on in conversations and coaching Right.
Shadi Sadeghi:And it's funny because the word, the idea of being spiritual, never even crossed my mind. I didn't even see myself as spiritual, but I would have friends and family, be like oh, you're just so spiritual I'm like, I am like. To me, it was just nature, like, it's just like to connect, to meditate, to have it's part of being on this planet, it's part of staying rooted, it's. It didn't mean that I was like praying every night, you know, on the court at foot of my bed, or I just had this idea of like, what it meant to be spiritual. It meant that you had to be conforming to a religion or you had to be praying to something specific, or and it's not, it's just. It's just this unseen energy. And then I started doing energy work as well, which is very spiritual, and I, you know, if you asked me a few years ago if I would have ever been doing something like that, I'd be like you're out of your mind. That's crazy, you know, but it's owning that part of myself that I had repressed.
Jennifer Walter:That reminds me of when I first, when I was also on my journey and trying different things and I was like this, this. Then I heard about sound healing and I'm like this shit sounds weird, like what? Just some stupid chick banging on a bong right. And then I'm like you know what, let's do it just for once, like let's be curious, and I was sobbing through like the whole like 35 minutes of the energy healing because I don't know. Clearly it did something. It moves a lot of shit.
Shadi Sadeghi:Well, and it's. It's interesting that there was a part of you that was like, curious about it. So that's your soul. Your soul is like, oh, like your ego may have judgments about this, but I know what's good for you. Let's try it.
Jennifer Walter:Yeah, my telltale sign is curiosity Whenever I feel curious for something.
Shadi Sadeghi:For intuition.
Jennifer Walter:Yeah, that's one of the telltale signs where I'm like okay.
Shadi Sadeghi:I'm listening, you got my attention. There's something to learn. Yeah, absolutely, that's beautiful. That's beautiful.
Jennifer Walter:Good something to learn. Yeah, absolutely, that's beautiful. That's beautiful good. Thank you, what is? What kind of practices or rituals have you found helpful in your shadow work journey?
Shadi Sadeghi:um, so there's a point where the shadow work is no longer necessary. Like you can't stay doing shadow work forever, it's just the entry point so it's the entry point, yeah, and, and that's something.
Jennifer Walter:So you're like you're evolved to ninja level now well, it's not just me.
Shadi Sadeghi:I take my clients through it too, because we can get stuck. There's some coaches that only do shadow work and it's like you're in the dark place for a long freaking time and I I I got caught there too, um, and you're not creating anything new. You, you need to create something new. You need to create new experiences. You know, maybe new salary and new, you become a effortless manifester, but you have to go to the other side, have rituals anymore. But what I would recommend for people that are just beginning to do um, to do shadow work, is the curiosity angle Jennifer, you hit it right on the notes is to look at all of the disturbances that come up for us or the conflicts that come up for us or things that rub us the wrong way, or have this emotional charge.
Shadi Sadeghi:Just look at it with curiosity and be like why, why does this bother me so much? Me so much? What? What is? Because that's your ego defending, yeah, some. The bothering it's your ego is like the defense shoots up, and so often I ask my clients, like, what emotion is this evoking out of you? And they'll say, you know, grief or anger, whatever comes up. And I say what is that defending? What is that anger defending? Yeah, what is that defending? What is the anger defending? Yeah, what is that?
Jennifer Walter:emotion defending? Oh, that's a beautiful question, yeah.
Shadi Sadeghi:Because it's just your defense mechanism coming into place. That's the bouncer at the door saying, nope, we don't want to go here. And so, like I get excited. I get like when I trigger people, or if people trigger me, I'm like, all right, we're getting to the gold. Like I get excited because I know that's pointing to something in the unconscious and so that's that's where the gold is, because the more you release that energy, the more the iceberg comes above water, the more free you become to create your desires that are aligned with your soul, not your ego, not your conditioning, not your fear, not the past, not what your parents told you, what you should be doing or who you should be or who you thought you know in a survival mode. You free yourself from survival mode so you can thrive oh, that's beautiful.
Jennifer Walter:Yeah, that feels like a very, very beautiful way or words to end this podcast, but I have this very strong urge and you know, I know shadi will tell me now just go with your urge. I want to tell you about my weird dream. Do you want to hear it?
Shadi Sadeghi:let's do it. So I was going to say another way to to um. The triggers and how you judge people are two ways to assess what's in your unconscious. But dreams yes, dreams are also telling us what is in our unconscious mind.
Jennifer Walter:Okay, okay, tell me what's in my unconscious mind, okay, so, okay, I'm way too excited for this, the dream, but you're going to love this, okay. So I was in an apartment and it kind of looked like an old apartment my partner and I used to live in, but not very specific, and there was like a very big spider, very big, scary spiders. I'm not usually scared of spiders, but that one was too big. So I asked my partner to help me, like get it out, and then he kind of me get it out. And then he kind of got it out and I was going into one room and closed the door and then he's like oh, okay, you can come out.
Jennifer Walter:The spider got into it. Looked like a wrath of dried flowers Very beautiful and it kind of like went into that. And then he was trying to like shake the spider out of that wrath and there were, instead of the spider, several dead birds fell out and I was like, oh, what are all these dead birds doing on the floor? Where are they coming from? And then I was looking into the raft of dried flowers and I saw there was a nest inside of the raft with two little birds and a couple of eggs. And then I woke up oh, that's very interesting.
Jennifer Walter:It was weird.
Shadi Sadeghi:So I was walking. So you said the spider crawled into the wreath of flowers. Yes, yeah, and you followed the spider there and that's what you saw. Okay, so the spider represents the dark, divine feminine. So it is, it is the ultimate.
Shadi Sadeghi:So if you think of feminine, the the when I say feminine, by the way, I don't mean gender, yeah, I mean it's an energetic property, so, and it exists in all of us. It's, it's yin, right? So it's the yin energy in us, and this is an ancient philosophies, ancient cultures as well. As we all have inner feminine, we all have inner masculine, but if we are born as women, then we may, or actually any gender. If we're born as any gender, we may choose to be more of one than another and we repress the other. So this divine feminine energy, it's Mother Earth. Mother Earth is both creative and destructive. Okay, so the divine feminine has the power to destroy, and destroy things that are no longer useful, or the past paradigms or, in this case, our conditioning, that we're purging, we're releasing, um, you know, even in indigent cultures, they believed anytime nature, mother Earth, would show up with hurricanes, destructive tornadoes, it's like, oh, earth is cleansing itself. It's a purification process. Okay, so that's what a spider represents it's the ultimate destroyer, but also the creator. So we have that power within us, okay.
Shadi Sadeghi:So here's one trick, two tricks actually. First trick is that I would recommend for you and for anyone else is write down your dreams. So have a journal by your bed and a pen, even if you're like, oh, I never dream, I never remember my dreams. You dream every night. We have about three to six dreams every night and if you set the intention to remember your dreams, you're going to remember them. And as soon as you wake up, write down the symbols, write down what happened, like you just told me, write down the emotions that's really important the feeling that you had, and even if you don't know what it meant, even if it sounds crazy and you're like I don't know how to decipher this, just writing it down is bringing the iceberg above water. It is entering into your awareness, okay, and your mind it's starting to shift things. All right, you're unconscious. The iceberg is like kind of moving, it's bobbling up, right. So that was the one trick.
Shadi Sadeghi:Next trick is that everything in our dream is risk, is reflecting an aspect of ourselves. So the spider represents the dark, divine, feminine, so it is the shadow side of our femininity, it is the part of ourselves that we repress and it's guiding you to this wreath of flowers. Flowers is abundance, it's joy, it's beauty, right, it's transformation, it's your true self. And the dying birds. Birds are associated with spirituality. So if they're dying, if they dropped, so it's there's sort of a death of the old paradigm, our old beliefs and our old perceptions, like what I was telling you, that I went through right about my perceptions of religion and god and spirituality. It's like that kind of had to fall away.
Shadi Sadeghi:It feels like room for something new, for a new party and for some new way of believing and and in the sense of death, it feels like death it's not a real death, it's not like new part of him, for some new way of believing and and in the sense of death it feels like death. It's not a real death, it's not like that part of you is dying, it's just that the ego is like, but these beliefs that we have is what has kept us alive. I don't want to let it go. You know, yeah, it's clinky, it's the way it's ushering out. So to me, what you saw in the spider is that is, uncovering the dark side. Dark side, it's not really dark, but the hidden aspects of your feminine nature, your, your to yourself, your shadow is going to guide you to transforming your perspective of spirituality and creating something new, birthing something new. Birthing something new Two eggs eggs is birth. Eggs is birth of something new. Right, you said the fact that it was two, it wasn't just one.
Jennifer Walter:No, it was at least two eggs yeah.
Shadi Sadeghi:Two symbolizes wholeness, so that path is leading you to wholeness, which also the flowers represent joy, abundance. So wholeness meaning yin and yang. When yin and yang come together, we create a wholeness, we become a whole, being our true self. And so that was a, that was a guidance stream for you.
Jennifer Walter:Oh, thank you so much for deciphering this for me. I'm very excited about this dream Write down your dream.
Shadi Sadeghi:Start writing them welcome.
Jennifer Walter:I'm very excited about this dream now.
Shadi Sadeghi:Well, write down your dreams. Start writing them down, Even if it doesn't make sense, that's a good tip.
Jennifer Walter:Yes, yeah, always keep the little notepad, mm-hmm.
Shadi Sadeghi:Okay, so Do you have more questions. No.
Jennifer Walter:Yeah, my mind is spinning in a lot of different places and I'm like, oh, okay, we're gonna bring Shadi back on for another episode sometime yeah, this is a lot yeah, it is a lot and this is all fair.
Jennifer Walter:So if you're still following us, like give yourself a clap on the back for this, because it was a lot. And I'm still hung up on what you said on. The perception of the physical world is dictated by our relationship with our mother and I'm like, but I have so many questions around, like how we see money in our relationship to our mother. But we're gonna talk about money another time because I feel that's a whole. That's a whole conversation on its own?
Jennifer Walter:Yeah, but for anyone who cannot wait until I bring Shadi back on the podcast, where can they find you online? Where are you hanging out?
Shadi Sadeghi:So well I've, I'm going to be starting my own podcast. Heads up.
Jennifer Walter:Yeah, and it's going to be called this life fulfilled.
Shadi Sadeghi:So that is my handle, that is my Instagram handle. You can find me on Instagram this life fulfilled. And I am actually offering for your listeners only exclusively whoever. First of all, I give complimentary shadow sessions. So the first session with me. If you want to know what's keeping you stuck, if you want to know why you keep creating the same situations, if you feel like you're groundhog's day you know this circular thing constantly, you just can't get out of it, you're trapped I offer complimentary shadow session. We can find out what is keeping you from the ultimate soul level, relationship or career, whatever it is. And whoever among your listeners signs up through my link I think I sent the link to you so you can share it.
Jennifer Walter:We'll shortly link it in the show notes.
Shadi Sadeghi:Yes, thank you. If you schedule a session with me, a shadow work session with me, I'm going to send you a free meditation slash visualization on releasing your fear to get unstuck.
Jennifer Walter:Oh, that's beautiful Good. Okay, thank you so much for being so generous, and this sounds so good.
Shadi Sadeghi:I might snag it up myself so much for being so generous and this sounds so good. I might snag it up myself, but absolutely yeah, I feel like there's some more work here to do with the spider. The spider is leading you there, so you want to pull at it and go under with the, or who would you say that? Who was the name of the? I'll see if he guides me over the river yeah, of course he will.
Jennifer Walter:That's your destiny that is very true. It will all unfold how it's supposed to be in its own time, and that is okay yeah, exactly so, shadi. Before I let you go, I always have one last question. What book are you currently reading? What audio book you're currently listening to?
Shadi Sadeghi:okay, so I'm an aries. Um, we love to start things and not finish them. So I'm reading three books Is it three? It might be even four. I love it Brilliant, and I always bounce back and forth, so I depending on my mood, depending on where my head's at. So I'm reading this incredible book that I highly recommend to anyone who's feeling this right now. It's called Dark Nights of the Soul, by Thomas Moore. He was a Jungian analyst Finding your way through life's ordeals. So we all experience dark nights of the soul. The dark night is when we hit it. It's because it's signaling us for transformation. Our soul is ready to transform. So I love this, this book. There's so much gold in this and I'm going to do a podcast episode on this book alone. Another book that I'm reading, um, is called karma, a yogi's guide to crafting your destiny, and it's by sad guru, who is a very famous um, I think, hindu philosopher oh, that's very good.
Jennifer Walter:I'm also like I also read several books at a time, depending on mood, and sometimes I just really love reading series because then I know what book I'm going to read next. I don't have to do the work of figuring out which book I want to read next, and I've also started collecting the books my awesome guests are reading and they're all um on the book recommendation page of the Cinegrad podcast. We're going to link it as well. So it's full library of fiction, non-fiction, all sort of books um that my awesome guests are reading. So I'm always kind of like sneaking there for like, oh, what should I read next? Oh, yes, this is speaking to me now a wonderful idea, wow.
Jennifer Walter:Sharing the wisdom of others amazing yeah, and if I don't know if cool people usually in my experience cool people like read cool stuff, so and we've got all we also have like weird medieval romance novels on there which is cool. If that's your jam, then you do you well.
Shadi Sadeghi:You know, today, this morning, I heard a Britney Spears song and I was thinking to myself I still haven't read her book and I want to read it. So I want to hear about her either.
Jennifer Walter:Yeah, I haven't either, and that is very true. Um, I definitely, it's definitely on my biography pile. I must say my, I also like I have a pile of biography books and I still I got. I still only have way through with the one I started. That was, um, prince Harry's book spare. Yes, I, that's also. I haven't finished it. That's the one I started. That was Prince Harry's book Spare also, I haven't finished it.
Shadi Sadeghi:That's another one I started.
Jennifer Walter:I'm like half I'm somewhere stuck where he was in Africa. Yes, me too. I'm like I got enough out of this girl, same I'm like. I cannot bring myself to finish it. And I don't force myself to finish books, because there will be a time and place where I probably pick it up again, but for now I'm good yeah, I mean I'll eventually finish it.
Shadi Sadeghi:When I'll see something about Princess Diana and I'll be like, oh, and then I'll like want to finish Harry's book yeah, absolutely same. We're also gonna put Britney's what are you reading right now?
Jennifer Walter:I, oh dear lord, I have, uh, I started a novel actually just last night and it's called Margot's Got Money Problems. Oh, and I don't know, I was not, I just started. It's by Rufy Forb. I didn't really expect that. It was about somewhat like a single mother, but hey, that's how it started. I was immediately hooked, I must say. It started with a penis shaped cake. I'm like this is very weird. The lady who baked the cake for Margot even built in like a like a cream slash sperm pump into the penis cake. So I was immediately like, okay, this book is so weird and fantastic I'm gonna keep on reading.
Shadi Sadeghi:I think, yeah, it sounds like it's meant to kind of have some humor in your life. I think, inject some humor.
Jennifer Walter:Yeah, absolutely so. Margo's Got Money. Troubles by Rufy Ford Shadi. Thank you so, so much for sharing your wisdom with us on the Scenic Route podcast. It was an absolute pleasure to have you.
Shadi Sadeghi:Oh, it was a pleasure to be here. You are such an enlightened soul yourself, Jennifer. You have so much wisdom, and it's an honor really to share this show with you today. Thank you.
Jennifer Walter:And just like that, we've reached the end of another journey together on the CineGroot podcast. Thank you for spending time with us. Curious for more stories or in search of the resources mentioned in today's episode, visit us at scenigroupodcastcom for everything you need. And if you're ready to embrace your scenic route, I've got something special for you. Step off the beaten path with my scenic route affirmation card deck. It's crafted for those moments when you're seeking courage, yearning to trust your inner voice and eager to carve out a path authentically, unmistakably yours. Pick your scenic route affirmation today and let it support you. Excited about where your journey might lead? I certainly am. Remember, the scenic route is not just about the destination, but the experiences, learnings and joy we discover along the way. Thank you for being here and I look forward to seeing you on the scenic route again.
