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Scenic Route, Social Change and Mental Health Conversations for Perfectionists
2025 Astrology Report: The Death of Bro Marketing & Rise of Intuitive Business ft. Sheri Moise & Jen Fieldman
Ready for the great shift? 2025 isn't just another year – it's a total vibe shift for business and life. A once in a shift! Join me with astrology powerhouse Sheri Moise and intuitive business strategist Jen Fieldman as we decode the massive energetic changes coming your way.
In this episode, we spill the celestial tea on:
- Why Pluto in Aquarius means saying bye-bye to old power structures
- How North Node in Pisces is killing bro marketing (finally!)
- The rise of trust-first, intuition-led business models
- What multiple planetary shifts mean for your marketing strategy
- Practical ways to navigate 2025's transformative energy
- How these cosmic changes affect both the collective AND your personal chart
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03:52] Pluto in Aquarius: The Big Shift
[13:36] North Node in Pisces: Marketing Revolution
[28:49] Navigating Multiple Planetary Shifts
[39:35] The Future of Business & Community
[45:28] Money & Resources in 2025
[51:08] From Collective to Personal
[56:18] Final Insights & Finding Your Path
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Ever felt like 2024 was just some weird warm-up act, and why does everything feel like it's simultaneously on fire and frozen at the same time? In this episode of the Scenic Route podcast, we're going full-on cosmic with the astrology powerhouses, sherry Moyes and Jen Fieldman to decode the massive energetic shifts coming your way in 2025. Whether you're a star skeptic or have your rising sign as your Wi-Fi password, you're gonna want to hear this. So grab your comfy beverage and let's take the scenic route through the stars. There's a different way to think about mental health, and it starts with slowing down. Sometimes, the longest way around is the shortest way home, and that's exactly where we're taking the scenic route. Hi, I'm jennifer walter, host of the scenic route podcast. Think I'm Jennifer Walter, host of the Scenic Route podcast. Think of me as your sociologist, sister in arms and rebel with many causes. Together. We're blending critical thinking with compassion, mental health with a dash of rebellion, and personal healing with collective change. We're trading perfectionism for possibility and toxic positivity for messy growth. Each week, we're exploring the path to better mental health and social transformation. And yes, by the way, pretty crystals are totally optional. You ready to take the scenic route? Let's walk this path together.
Jennifer Walter:Sheri Moise is an intuitive business astrologer and sales and marketing mentor with over 25 years of expertise. Her clients consider her their cosmic guide, blending intuitive insights, proven strategies and astrological wisdom to help them achieve aligned and magnetic results in their business. With Sherry's guidance, they'll take bold action inspired by her Aries sun, refine strategies through her Libra moon, and ground everything in practicality thanks to her Taurus rising, all with a pleasure-first approach that makes planning feel spacious and easeful. The best part you don't need to know anything about astrology. Sherry simplifies it into actionable steps tailored to your unique business needs. When she's not empowering her clients, you'll find her indulging in dark chocolate 70% plus only and diving into historical fiction, cooking with her husband or sharing couch space with her tree-like fur baby, sierra. Jen Fieldman helps women entrepreneurs build thriving businesses on their own terms by blending strategic wisdom with soulful authenticity. Through practical, no-bs solutions and intuitive guidance, she shows service providers how to succeed without conforming to outdated corporate rules or losing their spark. Jen believes building a business that honors who you are is where the real magic happens.
Jennifer Walter:Okay, welcome to another episode of the Scenic Route. Today we're charting a path to the stars of 2025 and, with Pluto entering Aquarius and other major planetary shifts ahead. I feel we need all the knowledge and wisdom we can get on that, and we're just gonna like find out today how next, how the stars are going to transform our technology, our social structures, how we like work and live together. So I'm really excited to be joined by sherry moist today and shen fieldman as we decode what these cosmic changes mean for our collective well-being and for our personal growth. And I don't know if it's if it's wrong to say sherry, but it feels like it might be one of the most pivotal years in recent astrological history definitely I would.
Sheri Moise:I would agree with that for certain, but it's definitely a pivotal year.
Jennifer Walter:I was like, maybe that's a bit of an oversell, but I already feel like so many weird things happening that are hard to place. So, sherry, what? What is really? We already heard Pluto in Aqu, but what does it mean for our collective? What do we need to know about this shift? Give us the hot tea.
Sheri Moise:You got it. So Pluto is a slow-moving outer planet, and so all the outer planets Pluto, neptune, uranus they have a huge impact on us collectively, even more than individually. So whenever a outer planet changes signs, it's a big deal, and Pluto stays in a sign anywhere from 15 to 20 years. So we call it a generational shift when there is a movement of signs. So we got a little taste of Pluto in Aquarius in 2023, but the last time Pluto was in Aquarius was 1777 and 1798. So quite a long time ago. It's 246 year or something cycle, so it's very pivotal. It represents a generational shift of humans will be born in this energy and will be imprinted on it, and then those of us living through this will also be imprinted in a different way.
Jennifer Walter:So when we say, okay, pluto has especially an influence on how we kind of like, live and work together. Like, what can we expect? On how, like, the collective power structures are about to shift?
Sheri Moise:yes, I think the biggest transition is from hierarchical power, capricornian energy, to decentralized, people-driven systems. And already it is not even January 1st. Pluto went direct in Aquarius in November and I meant to write them down, but I think there have been four or five governmental systems and structures that have collapsed on the world stage. Firmly went direct in November. So we will see, and it's kind of that energy of power to the people, of people saying we need to be seen, we need to be heard.
Sheri Moise:It can't all be about the one percent Correct, correct, so, but how do you do that? How do you? That's the question that Pluto and Aquarius is going to answer is how do you create an eye within the we and still make it feel fair and equitable? And so it's. That is the biggest thing.
Jennifer Walter:It's a focus on people and ideology versus systems and structures which is kind of I'm like all for power to the people. Like, if you're, like, a regular in the Cinegram market, that does not come as a surprise. But at the same time, I'm really like I'm really a systems girl, like I'm a systems theory person, so I'm like we follow systems. So how can we like, how will this all go together? Right, like, will they just go poof? Like, like we know, how does it shift like?
Sheri Moise:so the goal would be, you know, scalable, decentralized models is, I think. What if you were being very so, but it needs to be? Um, everyone needs to access everyone. Sustainability, ethical practices, I think all of those pieces under capricorn, it was he who can, he has the most wins, kind of energy where here it's. You know, if jen puts in this much and jennifer puts in this much and sherry puts it like it should be, it doesn't mean everybody gets an equal piece of the pie.
Jennifer Walter:in my opinion, we'll see how it falls out. We're talking equity.
Sheri Moise:We're talking more equity, but equitable access versus. I think what people get scared about is that Pluto and Aquarius could mean, you know, decentralization of everything of you know, universal income and things like that. But it's Pluto, wants it to be right and have depth and it's transformative. It's transforming the way we think about community, the way we think about governments. We've seen it slowly shift over the past few years and it will impact technology. We're already seeing that AI is huge. So Aquarius rules a lot of things, not just communities. It also rules technology. So those ai driven tools, medicine we're going to see huge um x, the what's the word? Innovations and movement in the in the field of medicine technology.
Jennifer Walter:Yeah, this is a really interesting point you're bringing up right. Like we have different sectors of society, we we had like government, which we already said, like we had, we had overruled governments already in the past months. Economy will. We will see shifts and not right away, like some might be right away but some also will be slowly right. I mean, pluto is going to stay in Aquarius for quite some time.
Sheri Moise:Right. Like this is not an overnight thing. We've seen some quick things happen, but this is a 20 year transit. So who we are, how we show up in each country and individually, is a slow, unfolding Pluto, will unearth things. It's what it's known for, but you know things will fall away slowly and then new advancements, new structures um, you know, we can see we've already seen an attempt at like digital currency, right and so that could be something that gets that. It is something that will be a part of that conversation and evolution. But trying to implement a digital currency under a hierarchical structure appeared to be a little challenging, right?
Jennifer Walter:so here, we are okay. So what? What other like major things will be happening, what other transits or what are other planets are moving and influencing us next year? Like, what do we need to be aware of?
Sheri Moise:so the other big shift that's occurring, that is, an 18 month cycle, is what we call the nodes. Um. So these are jen fieldman is very excited about.
Jennifer Walter:Yes, yes, I'm like okay you need to explain later, chan, why you're excited. I have no idea about the notes, so, please like, will you, sherry, please?
Sheri Moise:sure, so personally. We have a nodal placement in our chart. These are points in space, lunar nodes, yeah, they represent. The north node represents what we're moving towards. The south node represents what we're moving away from. So we have, collectively, we're moving, we have a shift that happens every 18 months and then each of us is born with, you know, a particular lunar placement, the nodal placement. The very interesting thing about the nodes is and astrology in general. The gift of astrology is it's cyclical. We're constantly. We can know what a transit might look like because we've seen it before now. Big, long ones. Nobody's lived through pluto and aquarius, because we're none.
Sheri Moise:Of us live 247 years but many of us have lived through multiple pluto excuse me nodes, the north node being in pisces, which is what it's shifting into. So we can look at data from 18 years ago, 36 years ago. Every 18 years it comes back to that sign. So we can get data on what's happening with real estate. We can get data on what's happening with marketing. So for those of your listeners that are entrepreneurs, this is probably the most pivotal transit for your marketing and planning, because the nodes really give us insight into what's happening from a marketing perspective. Oh, that's interesting.
Jennifer Walter:What do we need to know when because I know a lot of a lot of people listening in are entrepreneurs um run their own businesses Like? What do we need to know? What do we need to be aware of in addition to like pluto and aquarius, with the notes that can help shape a shape our marketing next year?
Sheri Moise:so the north node has been and will be until you know, january, mid-january, let's say january 2025, it's been in aries, and Aries it was quick wins, it was. Tell me, you need to fix my problem and fix it right now and I don't want to wait for an answer, kind of a thing. And we were moving away from that Libra energy of things have to be polished and perfect and beautiful right First time we saw oh, okay, I'm already seeing like the instagram influencers dying out I'm like yes so we shift from perfectly polished to more authentic and heartfelt.
Sheri Moise:So instead of no like trust, we are really shifting to trust first. So how do you build trust? How do you? Storytelling is a great way to build trust and it's in Pisces. It's about honoring the intuitive side, it's about the creative side, it's about it has to resonate with me on an emotional, personal level, whereas before I was like I have this problem, I need a bandaid. Give it to me. Now I'm like oh, wait a minute. Do I really trust you? Like, am I going to do? I want to lean in? Do I really like you? We really have to be there, so really connecting with your audience's deeper needs. This is going to be a you know, for most people in my world.
Jennifer Walter:They're very excited about this because, bro marketing, which you know the depths of that is, is kind of fading away.
Sheri Moise:This is the word we don't name on this um. So you know, scarcity tactics and all of those things aren't going to work as well, which means we need longer launch runways which means we need more stamina, for sure to do anything people will likely take longer to make a decision or they'll make a decision based on their gut yeah, then it's like that then it's like that.
Sheri Moise:So it is, um, progress over perfection, because if we're moving away from virgo, in this case, everything, everything doesn't have to be perfect, it doesn't have to be totally detailed. If I go, oh, jen Philman has this thing and I'm really leaning in and I find myself, you know, for those of us that are generators, you know that need to lean in, you know, to feel a gut response. That's going to be really important and powerful. That's going to be really important and powerful. So, um, it's a, it's a big shift, it's a big change, I think, and and it's, but it's, it's how we evolve, it's the thing we move towards. Next, we've learned how to identify the quick win. Now we have to learn how to identify, how to really trust our intuition and our gut which, uh, this is beautiful, I'm gonna love this.
Jennifer Walter:I love this journey for us, how to really trust our intuition and our gut, which, oh, this is beautiful, I'm going to love this. I love this journey for us and also like saying, okay, we know Pluto and Aquarius like power to the people. Could we see for marketing in 2025,?
Sheri Moise:like a really strong and more authentic focus on community building. Yes, some of the things if we're looking at what Pluto will bring from a business perspective, besides cutting edge technology. You know how do you implement AI and do it in an ethical way kind of a thing. But you know how does that transport more community-driven offerings that may be asking your audience really what they want, co-creating those authors with your audience or business partners, um, for shared impact? Uh, private communities you were seeing already private podcasts, right, like where there's this sense of you know this community. So, um, also programs that focus on a sustainable business, versus like this is going to help you over the long haul, not just right now get real quick scheme, schemes and yeah, so and but, and we also want to empower clients to take ownership right there.
Sheri Moise:We, we moved when the North node was in Taurus. It was a lot of done for you under Aries. It was get me a quick win. So shorter programs. I think you know Pluto and Aquarius will invite people to, like I I don't, you know, I don't as your mentor coach. It's not my responsibility. You need to take personal responsibility for your part in this. That may be a little more DIY, um, maybe not, but there's to empower people to own their results and trust that they can do it, but that you have that, that answer. So more interactive, interactive. So I was saying to a client this morning we were looking at an event and I said you know, really hot seat coaching showing putting those other, that other person central focused, um, so that people, you're not talking at people, you're sharing the stage with people.
Jennifer Walter:Which will also help you build trust quite quickly.
Sheri Moise:Exactly.
Jennifer Walter:It goes hand in hand with that. Let's leave the business side for a hot minute. We already touched upon it. You said that okay, next 2025, like your inner voice, listening to your intuition, your inner, not your knowledge that will come up. That will be something to really like hone in and focus on. What other shifts in like collective mental health and like wellness approaches?
Sheri Moise:are we likely to see? Yeah, for sure. Um, I think both the North Node and Pisces, as well as Pluto and Aquarius, are going to. Unfortunately, I think that what the North Node and Pisces tells us is that we will probably see more mental health issues, things that people have just been getting by just to get through because their nervous system has been so impacted that energy as it falls away. People, unfortunately, if they don't have tools in their toolbox, are going to really really need them. So I think we're going to see a boom in the interest in therapy and different therapies and counseling and support. But what does that look like? Again, centering the client versus centering the modality. I think that's one way I might look at it. Um, but it's they call this the bottom right. Right, the nodes move backwards.
Sheri Moise:So this is not going to be an easy year. I mean, I don't. I'm not an astrologer who likes to be predictive, but when I say it's not going to be easy, we're meant to like break it down, pull everything away, to get to the root right. So this is a time to get to the root of it. So if you're on that, if life's scenic view on the scenic road we're on right doesn't feel like it's not the scenery you want, then how do you find your lane? How do you find that turnoff? That's going to help you get to a scenic view that you want that's going to be the. You get to a scenic view that you want that's going to be the and nobody's going to do it for us, right? But it's acknowledging where we're at and making a choice to create a plan. Take some action. There's a lot of energy between this aries and pisces axis this year. Um, all of the outer planets are changing signs. That's a big deal. Um, it's a lot of energy do we have other planets?
Sheri Moise:I think there's neptune, and jupiter are also shifting neptune and jupiter are shifting, saturn is shifting, uranus is shifting, they're all shifting oh okay, what doesn't that create a lot of like?
Jennifer Walter:not maybe tension might be a strong word, but like unease and you're feeling like a bit on edge and like no, yeah, just me no, I think.
Sheri Moise:I think the biggest one is um. You got saturn going into aries and jupiter and cancer in the middle of 2025. I think, as humans, this is where we can live in the how do I do both energy saturn's like get shit done pardon my french um and cancer's, but it needs to like align with my values. I need to take care of my family, I need to feel good. I need to feel good, and Jupiter in Cancer is a power. Jupiter expands things, it makes things bigger, and so Jupiter in Cancer is going to foster that emotional connection which is also you've got North Node in Pisces doing the same thing and then nurturing relationships, whereas Saturn in Aries wants structures and clear goals. Those two things don't feel incredibly. They are and they could be right. If you know what you value, if you know what you want, you know what you want, you know, then using you can harness that energy.
Sheri Moise:You can harness it, otherwise it's going to feel like you know we're beating up on each other and I know jen fieldman deals with this like on the regular in her clients right where people are trying to should themselves into doing things.
Jennifer Walter:No, we love shooting ourselves, when on the inside they're like no, I, this doesn't feel right, okay, so we need to get more radical in that sense in 2025 I think it's about using that and using the energy to create a solid plan right, but one that aligns with your values.
Sheri Moise:You're not shitting yourself when you're really tuned into, that connection to you, the connection to your emotional intelligence, your intuitive intelligence and honoring both ends.
Jennifer Walter:Jen, I'm calling you in as a a business owner. How are you prepping for 2025, do you like? I mean, I know you do a lot of things. You do human design, you have knowledge of numerology. You are not unknown with astrology, so, like, how, how do you prep for 2025?
Jen Fieldman:so one of the things I'm trying. Not, I was not prepared for this question.
Jennifer Walter:Um. Excuse me, this is a conversational podcast no.
Jen Fieldman:So one of the things I have been doing is so I have to, for my own sanity, approach planning in a very light, like a light touch way, because if I I'm not someone who can put in like here's my yearly financial goal and then here's what I need to make each quarter, that will stress me out which, yeah. So I have been approaching 2025, as a lot of the memes say online, like very carefully, like very, very testing the waters in the waters, um, but I'm also not letting it as much as one can scare me. So one thing that I hadn't realized until I was prepping for this call is that in numerology, so normally I focus on someone's personal year and personal month, because I feel like that energy is so much more, not even intense, but you'll feel your personal cycles more than the collective. However, sherry was talking about Pluto. However, sherry was talking about Pluto, we're moving into a year nine.
Jen Fieldman:Collectivelyyear cycle begins in 2026. And so what I think could be really interesting too is just taking that into account. So, thinking about 2025, I'm in a personal year, seven, and it's like, okay, that's my seven energy, but there's a lot of stuff completing, so it's kind of like treat yourself gently, is what I am attempting to do with all of my fire energy. Almost my entire astrological chart is on fire. Big fire is on fire, big fire.
Jennifer Walter:So my preparation for business is to move gently, with light touch and what this is, generally speaking, good advice to move gently with yours and hold yourself gently, regardless. Uh, whether you're like numerology is bullshit, like this is generally good advice. Like we, we treat ourselves way too harshly in most cases. Sherry, how are you prepping?
Sheri Moise:yeah, I. I actually sent an email out this morning and I talked about, you know, slowly rolling into 2025. Right, instead of finish there's a meme instead of finishing this weird song, why don't we finish the year soft? Why don't we finish the year restful and grateful for making it through another crazy cycle on earth, like I? You know, I honestly, the year end, new year, new you all of that really honestly triggers me at this point. Not as much as it used to, but I was in corporate sales and marketing when new year, new you was invented. But, you know, with a marketing, we're all here partly to blame for this we all have a background.
Sheri Moise:Yeah, we were all part of that mess. And what I love about astrology is I don't feel that pressure because I use the cycles and the seasons right. So I'm looking at this Capricorn cycle, which happens to include the new year, and I'm like, okay, what can I learn from it? Like I've completed nine months of the astrological year, what do I now know? What systems and structures do I need in place to move towards where I want to go? But I'm not like, oh, I have to complete it in a calendar year.
Sheri Moise:That is a construct of the industrial revolution and I really believe it doesn't serve us. We really, you know, we're meant to work in seasons and this winter season, which, if you're in the northern hemisphere, we're in, is so valuable for going within. Yet we're told, like, get off your butt and go do, and we're not ready to do. So I like try to this time of year. I put myself in a bit of a bubble and then I also stand on my pulpit and say, if you feel motivated not everybody's motivated by goals, you know I'm not I'm motivated by the process, jen's motivated by know this, because I know jen's chart, um, but we're both motivated by process and and we're both yeah this podcast is called the scenic route.
Sheri Moise:So I mean it's pretty obvious everybody probably listening is motivated by process, so but but the the standard line is you need to set a goal and move toward that. When I just want to set, take that next step. Not that I don't want to have a big picture of where I'm going, but it's based on. So if I'm looking at the take all this, pull it together here. If I'm looking at the astrology, what's really important? That I really really honor my intuition, that I really really stand in my value, know my why and let those, the three things drive my decision making. If I were gonna distill it, yeah, no, absolutely.
Jennifer Walter:I love this. Like how can, with we said, okay, we're gonna have this rise of intuition and I'd say we have, we'll have. We'll see an increasing need for emotional intelligence and possibly spiritual awareness, like spiritual in whatever sense you define it, spiritual awareness. So, like, how can businesses adapt to this? Like increasing need for emotional intelligence and spiritual awareness? Jen.
Jen Fieldman:I'm I'm going to tap in. So I think one thing that would be really interesting to see if this happens or not, but also just as business owners is in human design, so slightly over from astrology. 50% of the population has what's called emotional authority, which means they make decisions based on emotions and they have to what's called ride a wave, so they don't make, in the moment, snap decisions. They need time. And so I think, as we move into more of this emotional intelligence, understanding either for the 50% who do make decisions that way, learning how to honor that we as business owners, who are not so you, sherry and I are not we don't have emotional authority. So it's understanding working with clients and our own operations.
Jen Fieldman:Okay, hey, do I need to give people more time to evaluate things? Do I need to give people, or even just the sales process, do people need more time to get to trust me first and to think about a service we're offering? I think that's something that I mean. The curious part of me is like oh, I can't wait to see if people start to take it, if people start to play into that, but I think it's also just a good tip for all of us to start to think oh okay, like, where does emotion, whether it's intelligence or authority, or even our regulation, how is that playing into our business and how can we lean into it or just soften towards it, versus the typical corporate type mentality that some of us, as I point to myself, are still still trying to, you know, get rid of, especially this time of year when it's like hurry up, we got to, we got to start fresh.
Sheri Moise:You just, I like you just nailed it Like that is the very I mean in terms of that's the North node in Pisces, that's Jupiter. I was going to say isn't that say, doesn't that play?
Jennifer Walter:into it. That is it. And if people.
Sheri Moise:here's what happens. Here's what I've watched over since you know, I've been tracking the nodal transit and, for those of you in business, your inbox starts to fill with things and six or nine months from now, people are going to start to say they had to shift their launch style because it stopped working style because it stopped working. And so if you're going to continue with the hard hit, you know gotta sign up.
Jennifer Walter:now here's your aspiring bonuses and like those countdowns, that like run down timers like no false urgency under north node and pisces.
Sheri Moise:So what jen's saying is you're going to need to honor people's decision makingmaking styles and give people a longer runway. So that can look like a lot of different things. But how do you build trust? How do you build true connection On the other side just as a PSA, you know, we will likely see some, you know, on the spiritual world or in that realm. You know, the last time in the 60s, the north node was in pisces and we saw a lot of cults and a lot of you know so. But you can see how that might happen. Right, you can see, if people are trying to create an emotional connection, they look to someone to get it instead of fostering it within themselves. And so there'll be some of that. You know some of that, and we can see it on the political stage, but it won't always work.
Sheri Moise:But how do we give people, how do we nurture folks? How do we people are going to look at your website and not just take things at face value anymore, like, well, what makes her qualified for? That is going to be the question too. Um, and can she hold space for me? You know can. Can this person give me what I need without enabling? I mean we don't want to be enabling people but, um, what do? What do I need? How do you learn you know, knowing what do? What do I need? How do you learn you know, knowing, know thyself? How do you learn? How do you work? So, just you know, maybe what I offer fits somebody, but not someone else, because it's just not the right fit. But no more.
Jennifer Walter:Ideally, we're stopping round pegs and square holes but it's an interesting point you brought up sherry like we're gonna look at someone's website or in social media channel, whatever, and be like what is this person qualified to work? To do this work for me, whatever it might be, where? How do we like, how do we approach this? Are we approaching this with just kind of like general gut sense or do class, let's call them like traditional qualifications? Do they still hold merit? Or is it something like I don't care if this person has a whatever phd, you, I just need to like, trust my god. Do they go hand in hand? What? What can we expect? What do you think?
Sheri Moise:I think they go hand in hand. Um, I think that words, I think you're going to see a lot more video. Um, because I can video, because I can, I can connect with you. I can, I can read much better someone's energy and someone's if I.
Sheri Moise:You know, there was a whole big thing this last year on Instagram about the faceless videos. Right, yeah, faceless accounts I those. You could get away with that under North Node and Aries because I wasn't listening for the thing I needed. Now I'm listening and looking for connection and so I don't think so that would be a really practical example. So if on my website I have testimonials, I could write whatever I want, but maybe I need video so you can see my clients, you know, and my clients name their own website so you can go see that this person is actually real, like people are going to, especially with the advent.
Sheri Moise:You know, the more ai gets involved, the easier it is to create a lot of things. People are going to be putting it through a filter. Still they're. You know it's great we can move forward with technology, but with and we will. Uranus is going to move into Gemini. We're going to have rapid rapid. You thought last year was off the charts. I think you know rapid innovation in technology, communication, how we share information, but then the challenge of how do you manage the data, the privacy, the connectivity right? So it's always both, and so you know I think we need to be prepared for changes in online platforms, changes in how we go to market. But so interactive content, short form video, gamified experiences, people are people going to have an experience with you? I think is key.
Jennifer Walter:I need to again we're back to trust first, then know and like and at the same time we said it before right, we're moving away from over polished, which will gives us a lot of ease. Right, because video content if you're looking for the polished end of thing, end of the spectrum, is so time consuming and it's a really a pain in the ass for most entrepreneurs, so it would be nice to have more of a documentary. I'm just pulling out my phone, kind of vibe.
Sheri Moise:And I think you're absolutely right, jennifer. It is that kind of vibe Like this is just me in my everyday life, doing life, and we're already seeing that. I've I've seen with, you know, some reflections from folks in my world who've said that their, their videos or their reels that are performing are the ones where they're just them. You know where they're in their pajamas or you know whatever it's not polished, it's not overdone, because people are going to question if it's polished and overdone yeah, okay, I want to.
Jennifer Walter:There are two kind of like areas where we haven't touched upon yet that are for the collective. I'm like, okay, we, we have to get them done. I'm really like curious. So one is kind of like personal growth and relationships, right, like with all these transits happening, like we, we kind of like this. Now we have to navigate between our digital connection we've heard earnest, uranus Gemini, a lot of rapid development on the technology front, but at the same time, north Node in Pisces, a lot of spiritual intimacy of sorts, if we can call it that. How will our relationship patterns change? What do we need to know for our relationships with our community and also for our one-to-one relationships?
Sheri Moise:I think if I look at both Neptune in Pisces and the North Node in Pisces, it's exactly what you just said. It's that depth of relationship, that depth of connection to remind us that we're part of something bigger than just ourselves. And I think that's the thing that when I talk to people that they feel most lost around right now is they feel like they're not seen, they're on an island, they just have to get by and so the world's problems just feel too big to solve, right? Um, we you know we're all living beings right here on earth. Um, we all need water. We're made up of water, so these signs are water signs, so they're very emotional, um, as well. So I think that you know what's real, what relationships feel real to you, what relationship do you really feel um add value to your life and honor your whole being? You know we're away from, we're moving away from that energy of what can you do for me?
Sheri Moise:to what do I need to honor within myself to get my needs met? And that covers everything, right, like all parts of our world and relationships. So the more we you know, I think you'll hear more about trauma response. I think you'll hear more about that's very Piscean energy, because the goal here is to heal right. The goal here is to heal what is broken and so that then we can move into this, you know, next phase of acquiring energy. We're gonna have a lot of acquiring energy in 2026, so we need to be ready for it. How do you be the eye within the we if you haven't, if you don't feel whole within yourself?
Jennifer Walter:yeah, if you cannot like, if you cannot be in community, right like you need to have a reciprocal understanding of what it means to be in community, of give and take and also from, like, a structural system point of view. We have seen so many third spaces vanishing over the past years, decades. We have no more space really to meet besides work and like hanging out online. So it would be really interesting to see, okay, how things like community centers, coffee shops, like free public spaces, right, where you can go without consuming anything, how those will kind of like come back and need to come back also for us to have this community feeling.
Sheri Moise:Yeah, I've chilled when you say that. I think that's very much, you know, whereas it's this balance right Between innovation, technology and humanness. How do we stay human, you know, in a world where we're being told all the jobs will be taken by technology? Where is that human connection? You can start to think as a business owner like, oh my god, some you know a chat gpt could do my job, could read, read your chart for you know, and whatever. But what's true about that? Like, we still need that human connection and to be seen. So I love that. I do agree.
Sheri Moise:I think you know there will be more retreats and spaces where people want to be in community and finding right communities. There's a lot of things written about potentialities in pluto and aquarius. Long term, um, more smaller communities, self-governing could be a thing. Who knows, um, what it will all look like. But in the short term, I think people are ready to get out from behind their screens. People are ready to have more connection and we can have both and it's just a, it's just a process. Yeah for sure.
Jennifer Walter:Yeah, I'm excited. Maybe this whole like retreat. I feel like if we've seen so much of it in the online entrepreneurial world like retreat here and retreat there and I'm still kind of like ugh about it, but when done right, I could feel this really be an amazing experience. So don't, yeah, if ever you have this itching for doing a retreat, then maybe 2025, 20 it could be a good year for it yeah, I think it's just gathering people together.
Sheri Moise:I've seen a lot of like just gather around the table, share their stories, share food share. It doesn't have to be. I think it's it's a different type of retreat, whereas if it was north node in taurus, we would have been all luxurious done for you, whereas this is more like it doesn't have to be. I mean, it could be any range of experience, but yeah, but its connection is the community um, this makes me excited to maybe relaunch to retreat.
Jennifer Walter:I was planning one a few years back. This might okay. Okay, you, I'm like, okay, this, I need to like write this down for future for like, okay, whenever I get it feels right. So one one last aspect um few few people are curious about this one too. How might all these transits and shifts affect our relationship with money and resources and wealth? We cannot not talk about this.
Sheri Moise:Yeah, I mean, that's the big thing if pluto and aquarius is going to shift to more decentralized in some case, if we use that word very loosely but, um, you know it, if things need to have broader accessibility, which is a theme, so how do you make money currency more accessible? Um, digital currency is gonna. It'll have another round. I mean, there's what that ends up looking like, I'm not sure. Um, but yeah, these emerging industries, web3, blockchain, all of that is very Aquarius energy. So I don't know.
Sheri Moise:I look at, you know, I have a six-year-old granddaughter and the world will look completely different by the time, you know, in another 10, 15 years, and we could all look back and say the same thing. But you know the rapid innovation of technology and the breakdown of these hierarchical structures. What does it look like? I think you're going to see a lot of people trying to hold on for dear life to what is comfortable and how do we flesh out what works for everyone and is safe and fair and all of those things. It's going to take time. It's not going. You know, I do think that if we look at the history I went back and looked because I was very curious the north node in pisces aligns with a lot of recessions, um, it aligned with the big depression, um, in the us, and so I do think it is the bottom. Like I was saying, we move backwards.
Sheri Moise:So I do think it financially housing markets, things like that we likely will see a push downward before we figure out how to move it back up so the x will not get cheaper in the short term well, I think you know some markets will crash, some, you know, I mean not not like stock market, but those things are going to change. I'm very, very curious, like I don't have an answer, I don't know what that looks like. Stock market survived a lot of things, but will it survive pluto and aquarius in 20 years?
Jennifer Walter:I mean, I don't know yeah, I mean what that looks like. It's never been through the french revolution, so well, the us.
Sheri Moise:I mean the us is having a pluto return, so, and we can see what's happening to it on the world stage, how it, how Um so power that shift those government structures that don't work. I mean it's fascinating to watch. Um, you know the structure of the U S dot. Will the U S dollar lead be the leading currency? Maybe not, you know, so it's. It'll be new infrastructuresructures, um, I will come into being slowly, but the north node and pisces. I think in the short term, if we're talking 2025, lets us know that we're not, we're probably not going into a bull market kind of an energy um, but again, it's an interesting time, it's, you know. So, yeah, but we need the. The goal here, I think, with pluto and aquarius, is to think beyond the individual, yeah, and innovate for the collective. That's the goal. Right, how do we do both?
Jennifer Walter:and, yeah, we do how we do both personal and collective transformation, like we're moving away from this me, me, me neoliberalism and be like, okay, we need our personal growth needs to like swap over into the collective. It is time, yeah, that's the long.
Sheri Moise:I mean, it's a long like and it's a long transit and this year will be interesting, like I said, because of so much going on on the aries pisces axis. You still have that, you have neptune in aries, you have saturn in aries, you know, still saying, okay, hold we still and not be blind about it. Um, we can't just be all, because if we just sit in our emotional world all the time and we probably wouldn't move the meter Right, so I find the astrology fascinating from that perspective, cause there's always this like, push, pull right, like it's, it's like it's. It's a like when you take a little kid learning how to walk right and you're just kind of guiding them along. The astrology is here going okay, we got pluto and aquarius over here pushing on this side. We got saturn aries pushing on this side. Make sure we're upright and we're moving forward.
Jennifer Walter:Um, and seeing things from all these different perspectives, which again, like I think, really closes, closes our conversation up nicely. When we circle back to the very beginning, that goes to when you, when all these pushes and pulls, the most key thing you can do is hold yourself kindly, uh, and compassionately, giving yourself grace and like remembering, like these celestial shifts there were, like it's not about predicting the future or anything like that. We were just, it's just about understanding the energies that are available to us and how can we both navigate personal and collective transformation like that right?
Sheri Moise:absolutely, and each person is impacted differently. Right, it's? These transits happen in your own chart in a particular area of life, and so that area of life will show up. You know, for each person differently, so I happen to have both of your charts up. So for Jennifer Walter, you know it's Pluto in Aquarius is happening in your ninth house, which is, you know what you stand for, your values. It's also about travel and things like that message deepens, or the things you really get. You know how you in teach and connect with your community and share your knowledge, what that ends up looking like, because that will be and then it will move. This has already started.
Jennifer Walter:This is very interesting that you said that. Yes, I've grown, I don't know, I cannot really say this Like I, I, I do, I do TikTok because it's I, I think it's very much fun. Um, and there was, I always felt it was kind of silly to do, like to really show up as a sociologist, which I am like, but anyway, um, and the first post I did has now gained like 150,000 views and gained me like over 2000 followers, like it's really interesting, it's been wild.
Sheri Moise:That is very much. That's very Pluto and Aquarius. I love that for you. Yeah, but see, this is how it's showing up for you, and then that will be what it unearths for you. Yeah, but see, this is how it's showing up for you, and then that will be what it unearths for you. It'll be where the discomfort comes in, but then it's pushing you to do the next thing, because whatever you're doing now, eventually, when it moves into your 10th house of career, it's going to impact your career, it's going to impact your business in a big way. It's going to take some time to get there. It's not happening, but sooner than most um for you in particular. So it's very it's.
Sheri Moise:It's fascinating to me because I always love watching how how it shows up um for people, mm, whereas our friend Jen Fieldman, it is leaving her sixth house, which is, for her, ruled by Capricorn. So how her daily work, her routines, her health, and it's sitting on the opposite side of her. In astrology we call her ascendant, or her rising sign. So it's how she shows up in the world in relationship, in relationship to herself, in relationship to others. Pluto is conjunct, your descendant right now, by the way, my friend. So it's really asking her. You know, what does? She want her relationships to look like her partnerships, and they get to be outside of the box. They get to be more Aquarian.
Jennifer Walter:She doesn't have to do it the traditional way, which is her seventh house of partnership.
Sheri Moise:Her seventh house is ruled out. But again, everybody's built for these times in a different way. So, knowing the area of life and then, what might that mean for Jen's business? That may mean some unconventional partnerships or communities that she partners with, or could mean a lot of different things, but Pluto is going to force her to do it different, just like it's been forcing her to do her health and well-being and daily work. This is why she does what she does. Like I've known her now for a couple of years and like you can see, I can see her, what she stands for and what she talks about in her business. Like you, don't have to work like everybody else. Let's what is your latest thing called your how to build a work plan?
Jen Fieldman:that's oh, the bare minimum work plan.
Sheri Moise:Yes, yes so this is why jen has a bare minimum work plan, which she came up with when pluto went into aquarius, by the way, I think we could probably time it to that, but because she was tired of the Capricornian structure right corporate structure way of working. She's giving everybody permission to work differently, but see how I? This is why I love the astrology.
Sheri Moise:It like shows you right how things are we can we can't always predict how it's going to show up, but we know the area of life and for business owners, I think it's really helpful to know where those focuses are going to be for you so that as you build a plan now, jen can go. Ok, I know that over the next, however long I do this thing, partnerships are going to be something I get to innovate and look at differently. You know, we look at these longer term transits and we can we can tune in?
Jennifer Walter:oh okay, so I have one last question. I'm gonna save this one up because this is the perfect segue into if you want to make sherry very excited to read your chart and help you figure out what this means for your business in 2025. Sherry, how can people find you online?
Sheri Moise:your business in 2025, sherry, how can people find you online? So I am, um, I have a youtube channel, so that's where I do weekly typically, although it has not been as of late. So just at sherry much business astrology. Sherry moist, um. Or I am at sherry moist on instagram, or just sherry moistcom. That's where things are. You'll find all the things perfect and jen.
Jennifer Walter:If people want to hear more about numerology and human design, where can people find you?
Jen Fieldman:they can find me mostly on the instagram at jen fieldman um one N in Jen, I should say, and also JenFieldmancom.
Jennifer Walter:Perfect. So before I let you go, this might be a trick question, so I'll go with Sherry first. This feels fairer, more fair. Sherry, if you would like summarize your highlights, your key things for 2025, in one sentence, go.
Sheri Moise:In 2025,. I'm choosing to let my intuition take lead and my intellect follow.
Jennifer Walter:Oh, now that got me chills. I love this one.
Jen Fieldman:Jen, what about you? I'm going to, I'm going to tough, I think I'm going. Okay, I got it. I'm actually going to go with lean more into your inner authority according to your human design. Go with, uh, lean more into your inner authority according to your human design, because that's how that ties into trusting our intuition. The pisces, north node, that type of stuff, and the pluto and aquarius. So I would, I would actually do that that's very interesting.
Jennifer Walter:Yes, I love, I love like blending both, because you can take from each modality what serves you and ditch the rest right. There is no competition amongst any of those. Like we don't, we're not doing this here. So, yeah, like remember, right, we've said it before like we don't know what's gonna happen, we're just, we're just excited, we're joyful about what's coming and we hold ourselves, yeah, with kindness and compassion and thank you so much for being here and sharing your knowledge, and we'll see how I don't know this collective wisdom will light our individual paths in the new year.
Sheri Moise:Thank you so much for being with me here.
Jennifer Walter:Thank you for having us and just like that, we've reached the end of another journey together on the Scenic Root podcast. Thank you for spending time with us, Curious for more stories or in search of the resources mentioned in today's episode, Visit us at scenicrootpodcastcom for everything you need and if you're ready to embrace your scenic root, I've got something special for you. Step off the beaten path with my Scenic Root Affirmation Card Deck. It's crafted for those moments when you're seeking courage, yearning to trust your inner voice and eager to carve out a path authentically, unmistakably yours. Pick your scenic route affirmation today and let it support you. Excited about where your journey might lead, I certainly am. Remember, the scenic route is not just about the destination, but the experiences, learnings and joy we discover along the way. Thank you for being here and I look forward to seeing you on the scenic route again.
